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Meeples Choice Retrospectives: 2010
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huzonfirst@comcast.net [spielfrieks]
2017-07-21 13:53:39 UTC
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Alright, same deal for 2010. Originally, we nominated the following 25 games:



20th Century

7 Wonders

Age of Industry

Alien Frontiers

Asara

Catacombs

Dominant Species

Forbidden Island

Founding Fathers

Fresco

Glen More

Inca Empire

Innovation

Kaigan

Key Market

London

Luna

Merkator

Navegador

Poseidon

Samarkand: Route to Riches

Sid Meier's Civilization

Sun, Sea & Sand

Troyes

Vinhos



There are six non-nominated 2010 titles currently in the top 300 on the Geek, so if any of these get seconded, we’ll include them as well. Here they are:



Runewars

Merchants & Marauders

Earth Reborn

Hanabi

Command & Colors: Napoleonics

Labyrinth: The War on Terror



Finally, we’ll accept nominations for other games from 2010. If they get seconded, we’ll add those to the mix. Once again, I’ll wait until Monday and then set up an election. That means that next week, we’ll be voting in two different elections at the same time! Don’t worry, I think that Wei-Hwa’s app will be up to the task!


Larry
Fritz mpefritz@yahoo.com [spielfrieks]
2017-07-21 14:03:36 UTC
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Onirim for those part-time soloers among us
Anomia for those who like a good fast paced brain cramp.

Not sure either of these will get votes, but they are still going strong.
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On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 8:56 AM, ***@comcast.net [spielfrieks]<***@yahoogroups.com> wrote:  






Alright,same deal for 2010.  Originally, wenominated the following 25 games:



 



20thCentury



7 Wonders



Age ofIndustry



AlienFrontiers



Asara



Catacombs



DominantSpecies



ForbiddenIsland



FoundingFathers



Fresco



Glen More



IncaEmpire



Innovation



Kaigan



KeyMarket



London



Luna



Merkator



Navegador



Poseidon



Samarkand:Route to Riches



SidMeier's Civilization



Sun, Sea& Sand



Troyes



Vinhos



 



There aresix non-nominated 2010 titles currently in the top 300 on the Geek, so if anyof these get seconded, we’ll include them as well.  Here they are:



 



Runewars



Merchants& Marauders



EarthReborn



Hanabi



Command& Colors: Napoleonics



Labyrinth:The War on Terror



 



Finally,we’ll accept nominations for other games from 2010.  If they get seconded, we’ll add those to themix.  Once again, I’ll wait until Mondayand then set up an election.  That meansthat next week, we’ll be voting in two different elections at the sametime!  Don’t worry, I think that Wei-Hwa’sapp will be up to the task!



 

Larry
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huzonfirst@comcast.net [spielfrieks]
2017-07-21 14:13:36 UTC
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I'd like to nominate another game for 2010: Freeze (aka Buhne frei!), Andrea Meyer's marvelous game based on improvisational comedy. I play this about once a year, usually with a dozen or more players, and it's totally unique, hysterically funny, and tremendously enjoyable. One of my favorite games of the year.


Larry
Paul Sauberer paul.sauberer@gmail.com [spielfrieks]
2017-07-21 21:16:35 UTC
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I'll second Anomia. I've had fun with that one lately.
Post by Fritz ***@yahoo.com [spielfrieks]
Onirim for those part-time soloers among us
Anomia for those who like a good fast paced brain cramp.
Not sure either of these will get votes, but they are still going strong.
sent from my (device) on (carrier), (country)'s (superlative) (number)
(letter) network. The (superlative) anyone has ever seen. PERIOD. (c) 2017
MadLibSigs
20th Century
7 Wonders
Age of Industry
Alien Frontiers
Asara
Catacombs
Dominant Species
Forbidden Island
Founding Fathers
Fresco
Glen More
Inca Empire
Innovation
Kaigan
Key Market
London
Luna
Merkator
Navegador
Poseidon
Samarkand: Route to Riches
Sid Meier's Civilization
Sun, Sea & Sand
Troyes
Vinhos
There are six non-nominated 2010 titles currently in the top 300 on the
Geek, so if any of these get seconded, we’ll include them as well. Here
Runewars
Merchants & Marauders
Earth Reborn
Hanabi
Command & Colors: Napoleonics
Labyrinth: The War on Terror
Finally, we’ll accept nominations for other games from 2010. If they get
seconded, we’ll add those to the mix. Once again, I’ll wait until Monday
and then set up an election. That means that next week, we’ll be voting
in two different elections at the same time! Don’t worry, I think that
Wei-Hwa’s app will be up to the task!
Larry
klcrispin@gmail.com [spielfrieks]
2017-07-22 04:54:13 UTC
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As a solo gamer I second Onirim.
David Goldfarb goldfarbdj@gmail.com [spielfrieks]
2017-07-22 04:56:51 UTC
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Hanabi is a good game, with some interesting advanced strategy based on
second-order inferences. (AKA "the finesse".) I second it.

David Goldfarb
Post by ***@gmail.com [spielfrieks]
As a solo gamer I second Onirim.
Jimmy Okolica bflydad@yahoo.com [spielfrieks]
2017-07-21 17:52:06 UTC
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I'll try adding nominations again and hopefully this time the email goes through in time...
I'd like to also nominate 1817, SNCF, and 1880.
-Jimmy

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  Alright,same deal for 2010.  Originally, wenominated the following 25 games: 20thCentury7 WondersAge ofIndustryAlienFrontiersAsaraCatacombsDominantSpeciesForbiddenIslandFoundingFathersFrescoGlen MoreIncaEmpireInnovationKaiganKeyMarketLondonLunaMerkatorNavegadorPoseidonSamarkand:Route to RichesSidMeier's CivilizationSun, Sea& SandTroyesVinhos There aresix non-nominated 2010 titles currently in the top 300 on the Geek, so if anyof these get seconded, we’ll include them as well.  Here they are: RunewarsMerchants& MaraudersEarthRebornHanabiCommand& Colors: NapoleonicsLabyrinth:The War on Terror Finally,we’ll accept nominations for other games from 2010.  If they get seconded, we’ll add those to themix.  Once again, I’ll wait until Mondayand then set up an election.  That meansthat next week, we’ll be voting in two different elections at the sametime!  Don’t worry, I think that Wei-Hwa’sapp will be up to the task! Larry #yiv6696418048 #yiv6696418048 -- #yiv6696418048ygrp-mkp {border:1px 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Dave Peters davepeters@gmail.com [spielfrieks]
2017-07-21 17:56:06 UTC
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second nomination of SNCF.
Post by Jimmy Okolica ***@yahoo.com [spielfrieks]
I'll try adding nominations again and hopefully this time the email goes through in time...
I'd like to also nominate 1817, SNCF, and 1880.
-Jimmy
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*Sent:* Friday, July 21, 2017 9:56 AM
*Subject:* [spielfrieks] Meeples Choice Retrospectives: 2010
20th Century
7 Wonders
Age of Industry
Alien Frontiers
Asara
Catacombs
Dominant Species
Forbidden Island
Founding Fathers
Fresco
Glen More
Inca Empire
Innovation
Kaigan
Key Market
London
Luna
Merkator
Navegador
Poseidon
Samarkand: Route to Riches
Sid Meier's Civilization
Sun, Sea & Sand
Troyes
Vinhos
There are six non-nominated 2010 titles currently in the top 300 on the
Geek, so if any of these get seconded, we’ll include them as well. Here
Runewars
Merchants & Marauders
Earth Reborn
Hanabi
Command & Colors: Napoleonics
Labyrinth: The War on Terror
Finally, we’ll accept nominations for other games from 2010. If they get
seconded, we’ll add those to the mix. Once again, I’ll wait until Monday
and then set up an election. That means that next week, we’ll be voting
in two different elections at the same time! Don’t worry, I think that
Wei-Hwa’s app will be up to the task!
Larry
huzonfirst@comcast.net [spielfrieks]
2017-07-21 19:24:54 UTC
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Ah, Jimmy, now I understand why your nominations for 2012 came in so late! You know, if you, or anyone else for that matter, posts something here, but it appears to fall into the Yahoo bit bucket, feel free to email it to me at huzonfirst AT gmail DOT com. At least I'll know what you're trying to get accomplished.


For those who are having trouble finding 1880 on the Geek, it's listed under 1880: China.


Also, Jimmy and Dave: do either of you want to nominate/second Paris Connection for 2011? The Queen redesign of SNCF came out that year and I'm sure it's better known and more widely played than the original Winsome title from 2010. Up to you.



Larry
Jimmy Okolica bflydad@yahoo.com [spielfrieks]
2017-07-21 22:51:14 UTC
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Sure.  I'll nominate Paris Connection for 2011.  I wonder if it's better known and played.  I personally went from Paris Connection to SNCF and then back to Paris Connection.  I like the components from Paris Connection better despite how much bigger the box is.
-Jimmy

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  Ah, Jimmy, now I understand why your nominations for 2012 came in so late!  You know, if you, or anyone else for that matter, posts something here, but it appears to fall into the Yahoo bit bucket, feel free to email it to me at huzonfirst AT gmail DOT com.  At least I'll know what you're trying to get accomplished.
For those who are having trouble finding 1880 on the Geek, it's listed under 1880: China.
Also, Jimmy and Dave:  do either of you want to nominate/second Paris Connection for 2011?  The Queen redesign of SNCF came out that year and I'm sure it's better known and more widely played than the original Winsome title from 2010.  Up to you.

Larry
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huzonfirst@comcast.net [spielfrieks]
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Ah, Jimmy, now I understand why your nominations for 2012 came in so late! You know, if you, or anyone else for that matter, posts something here, but it appears to fall into the Yahoo bit bucket, feel free to email it to me at huzonfirst AT gmail DOT com. At least I'll know what you're trying to get accomplished.


For those who are having trouble finding 1880 on the Geek, it's listed under 1880: China.


Also, Jimmy and Dave: do either of you want to nominate/second Paris Connection for 2011? The Queen redesign of SNCF came out that year and I'm sure it's better known and more widely played than the original Winsome title from 2010. Up to you.
Tim Moore timothy.alan.moore@gmail.com [spielfrieks]
2017-07-21 18:55:37 UTC
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2nd Labyrinth war on terror
Post by Dave Peters ***@gmail.com [spielfrieks]
second nomination of SNCF.
Post by Jimmy Okolica ***@yahoo.com [spielfrieks]
I'll try adding nominations again and hopefully this time the email goes through in time...
I'd like to also nominate 1817, SNCF, and 1880.
-Jimmy
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Subject: [spielfrieks] Meeples Choice Retrospectives: 2010
20th Century
7 Wonders
Age of Industry
Alien Frontiers
Asara
Catacombs
Dominant Species
Forbidden Island
Founding Fathers
Fresco
Glen More
Inca Empire
Innovation
Kaigan
Key Market
London
Luna
Merkator
Navegador
Poseidon
Samarkand: Route to Riches
Sid Meier's Civilization
Sun, Sea & Sand
Troyes
Vinhos
Runewars
Merchants & Marauders
Earth Reborn
Hanabi
Command & Colors: Napoleonics
Labyrinth: The War on Terror
Finally, we’ll accept nominations for other games from 2010. If they get seconded, we’ll add those to the mix. Once again, I’ll wait until Monday and then set up an election. That means that next week, we’ll be voting in two different elections at the same time! Don’t worry, I think that Wei-Hwa’s app will be up to the task!
Larry
Clay Blankenship clay.blankenship@gmail.com [spielfrieks]
2017-07-21 20:34:44 UTC
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I nominate Wok Star (2010).
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Ravindra Prasad rprasadusa@gmail.com [spielfrieks]
2017-07-21 21:27:12 UTC
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I nominate:
- Macao
- Baltimore & Ohio
- First Train to Nuremberg
- Magical Athlete
- What's My Word?
- Lords of Vegas
Post by ***@comcast.net [spielfrieks]
20th Century
7 Wonders
Age of Industry
Alien Frontiers
Asara
Catacombs
Dominant Species
Forbidden Island
Founding Fathers
Fresco
Glen More
Inca Empire
Innovation
Kaigan
Key Market
London
Luna
Merkator
Navegador
Poseidon
Samarkand: Route to Riches
Sid Meier's Civilization
Sun, Sea & Sand
Troyes
Vinhos
There are six non-nominated 2010 titles currently in the top 300 on the
Geek, so if any of these get seconded, we’ll include them as well. Here
Runewars
Merchants & Marauders
Earth Reborn
Hanabi
Command & Colors: Napoleonics
Labyrinth: The War on Terror
Finally, we’ll accept nominations for other games from 2010. If they get
seconded, we’ll add those to the mix. Once again, I’ll wait until Monday
and then set up an election. That means that next week, we’ll be voting
in two different elections at the same time! Don’t worry, I think that
Wei-Hwa’s app will be up to the task!
Larry
Andrew Heim andrewheim66@gmail.com [spielfrieks]
2017-07-21 21:43:30 UTC
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I second Macao and B&O.
Post by Ravindra Prasad ***@gmail.com [spielfrieks]
- Macao
- Baltimore & Ohio
- First Train to Nuremberg
- Magical Athlete
- What's My Word?
- Lords of Vegas
Post by ***@comcast.net [spielfrieks]
20th Century
7 Wonders
Age of Industry
Alien Frontiers
Asara
Catacombs
Dominant Species
Forbidden Island
Founding Fathers
Fresco
Glen More
Inca Empire
Innovation
Kaigan
Key Market
London
Luna
Merkator
Navegador
Poseidon
Samarkand: Route to Riches
Sid Meier's Civilization
Sun, Sea & Sand
Troyes
Vinhos
There are six non-nominated 2010 titles currently in the top 300 on the
Geek, so if any of these get seconded, we’ll include them as well. Here
Runewars
Merchants & Marauders
Earth Reborn
Hanabi
Command & Colors: Napoleonics
Labyrinth: The War on Terror
Finally, we’ll accept nominations for other games from 2010. If they
get seconded, we’ll add those to the mix. Once again, I’ll wait until
Monday and then set up an election. That means that next week, we’ll be
voting in two different elections at the same time! Don’t worry, I
think that Wei-Hwa’s app will be up to the task!
Larry
hwchapman@gmail.com [spielfrieks]
2017-07-21 22:16:44 UTC
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I, too, will second Macao. It's one of my top 20 games.
Dave Peters davepeters@gmail.com [spielfrieks]
2017-07-21 22:18:09 UTC
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And for 2010, I'd nominate _Khmer_.
Post by ***@gmail.com [spielfrieks]
I, too, will second Macao. It's one of my top 20 games.
Jimmy Okolica bflydad@yahoo.com [spielfrieks]
2017-07-21 22:53:35 UTC
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I'll second Khmer.

From: "Dave Peters ***@gmail.com [spielfrieks]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
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  And for 2010, I'd nominate _Khmer_. 
On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 3:16 PM, ***@gmail.com [spielfrieks] <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



I, too, will second Macao. It's one of my top 20 games.



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huzonfirst@comcast.net [spielfrieks]
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Ravindra, as always, making my life difficult! :-) The reason is that, by some quirk, almost all the games he nominated first appeared earlier than 2010. Baltimore & Ohio, for example, was released by Winsome in 2009, but the Eagle version didn't come out until 2010. Given how few Winsome games are produced each year, I don't have any problem considering this to be a 2010 game.


The only sticky one is Macao. The Alea version is German only and came out in October of 2009. Consequently, we included it in our 2009 MCA voting (and it just missed making the top 10 that year). The Rio Grande English language version came out a few months later (in February), but that was enough to push it into 2010. So most of us didn't get to play it until 2010. The only awkward thing is including it in two years, since it will be part of our 2009 retrospective. However, I said I'd do just that kind of thing for Machi Koro if anyone had seconded it for 2012, so I don't see how I can refuse to do it for Macao. Again, this is just a fun exercise, so I don't see any reason to be a hardass about things. Consequently, all of Ravindra's nominated games are eligible for 2010.


Larry
huzonfirst@comcast.net [spielfrieks]
2017-07-22 04:04:38 UTC
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Here are some more nominations for 2010:


Black Friday
Adlungland
Don Q. und die Vermessung von La Mancha.


Larry
Wei-Hwa Huang onigame@gmail.com [spielfrieks]
2017-07-22 11:46:37 UTC
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I second Black Friday.
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Black Friday
Adlungland
Don Q. und die Vermessung von La Mancha.
Larry
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Ravindra Prasad rprasadusa@gmail.com [spielfrieks]
2017-07-22 11:44:14 UTC
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Ha ha!

Maybe Magical Athlete will have a chance in the 2002 vote?

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Post by ***@comcast.net [spielfrieks]
Ravindra, as always, making my life difficult! :-) The reason is that, by some quirk, almost all the games he nominated first appeared earlier than 2010. Baltimore & Ohio, for example, was released by Winsome in 2009, but the Eagle version didn't come out until 2010. Given how few Winsome games are produced each year, I don't have any problem considering this to be a 2010 game.
The only sticky one is Macao. The Alea version is German only and came out in October of 2009. Consequently, we included it in our 2009 MCA voting (and it just missed making the top 10 that year). The Rio Grande English language version came out a few months later (in February), but that was enough to push it into 2010. So most of us didn't get to play it until 2010. The only awkward thing is including it in two years, since it will be part of our 2009 retrospective. However, I said I'd do just that kind of thing for Machi Koro if anyone had seconded it for 2012, so I don't see how I can refuse to do it for Macao. Again, this is just a fun exercise, so I don't see any reason to be a hardass about things. Consequently, all of Ravindra's nominated games are eligible for 2010.
Larry
dkeisen@gmail.com [spielfrieks]
2017-07-21 22:32:02 UTC
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Some 2010 nominees:

De Vulgari Eloquentia
Olympus
Namibia


Dave.
dkeisen@gmail.com [spielfrieks]
2017-07-21 22:33:18 UTC
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Some 2010 nominees:

De Vulgari Eloquentia
Namibia
Olympus (not Olympos....)


Dave.
Anye Freer anye.freer@gmail.com [spielfrieks]
2017-08-02 14:47:49 UTC
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I suspect 7 wonders has the advantage of being a meatier-than-average short
game that plays up to 7. There are very few games that play 7 that are not
either very fluffy or are very long so it fills an empty niche. I've
probably played it a decent amount of times for that reason though I don't
prefer it to many of the other games from that year.

Thanks,
Anye M. Freer
The 2010 restrospective has been shut down as well. We got 54 votes for
this one. Here are the results (an "n/a" means that the game wasn't
1. 7 Wonders – 21 (1)
2. London – 14 (3)
3. Hanabi – 13 (n/a)
3. Innovation – 13 (2)
5. Macao – 10 (n/a)
6. Navegador – 9 (4)
7. Age of Industry – 8 (12)
7. Troyes – 8 (7)
9. Dominant Species – 7 (6)
9. Glen More – 7 (9)
The big news for the updated vote is that Innovation, one of our three
winners the first time around, recovered and finished in a tie for third.
Newcomers Hanabi and Macao continued to do very well. Other than that,
nothing too dramatic, although 7 Wonders' dominance continues to be notable.
Larry
huzonfirst@comcast.net [spielfrieks]
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I agree, Anye, but while it's nice that 7W plays seven, I think it's far from its best with that number. I think it's much better with 3 or 4, since I actually care about all the players at the table, rather than just my neighbors. Unfortunately, I rarely get to play it with those numbers, which knocks its rating down for me a bit. Still, it's a very clever design and pretty much an essential addition to any gamer's collection, given its ability to handle high numbers pretty well.


Larry

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